ROAD TO FREEDOM Show #7 TITLE: Interview with citizen gang stalking target Sher HOST: Eleanor White DESCRIPTION: Sher is a 57-year-old retired, tele- communications worker, who has been a VS/EH-target since 1992. NOTE ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE RECORDING Eleanor: "An interference from perpetrators in the beginning of this show only lasts a COUPLE OF MINUTES - the rest of the show is clear. Apparently the perpetrators don't even want this very limited amateur effort at broadcasting available to the public. So far, THREE brand new telephone recording adapters and one tape unit have been damaged or destroyed by the perpetrators, making it very difficult to have guests on." FILE NAME: show7.mp3 DATE: July 19, 2005 LENGTH: 56m, 57s WEBSITES OF ELEANOR WHITE http://www.shoestringradio.net http://www.multistalkervictims.org http://www.raven1.net TOPICS DISCUSSED ON THIS SHOW abuse of pets Ed Light (activist) harassment and sabotage on the road Julianne McKinney (activist) poltergeist or demonic possession plausible deniability remote muscle manipulation seizure as symptom of electronic harassment senator Steve Schiff (New Mexico) sleep deprivation (from 4 am) pans bent out of shape as harassment Satan worship skin burns as harassment Sueann Campbell (target) swollen back of the head as symptom telepathic conversations with harassers telephone based harassment "Why YOU?"-question ADDITIONAL INFORMATION "Terrorist Stalking in America" a book by author David Lawson http://www.shoestringradio.net/terstalk.htm "The Mind Control Forum" website webmaster: Ed Light http://www.mindcontrolforums.com VOICES ELEANOR: Eleanor White SHER: Sher (guest) ========================================================= ELEANOR: The God who gave us life, gave us LIBERTY! The problem is, there are people in power these days who really don't like that! Come, travel the ROAD TO FREEDOM, with your host Eleanor White. Welcome to show #7, recorded on July 19, 2005. ROAD TO FREEDOM is a listener-sponsored show by and about all the targets of electronically assisted vigilante gang stalking throughout the world. ROAD TO FREEDOM brings you the latest information on this crime wave, which has so far been denied by every government and private agency whose mission is to help those who are targets of crime. The opinions expressed are those of the hosts and guests, and may not be those of others who are targets of vigilante stalking and electronic harassment, or of any person or group who may replay these recorded programs. Information for anyone who is thinking about donating to keep ROAD TO FREEDOM on the air is found on the cover page of this show's website, at the bottom. This show's website is: http://www.shoestringradio.net Vigilante stalking, and the covert use of advanced electronic weapons on vigilante stalking targets, is basically the use of lies - again: LIES - to motivate networked groups of citizens to destroy the lives of their innocent targets. These programs are about the ongoing efforts to expose this activity, and hopefully, to stop it. Today, we talk with our guest Sher. Sher is a 57-year-old retired, telecommunications worker who held many responsible jobs - some in management - during her 30-year career. She has been a target since 1992, and she was 45 years old when the harassment started. Welcome to ROAD TO FREEDOM, Sher. SHER: Thank you for inviting me. ELEANOR: Can you tell the listeners how you became involved with vigilante stalking? SHER: Until this day I am still not sure why I was chosen as a victim. I think that we are chosen, just because we are nobodies. I was just a working smug... {illegible} I think that it is more deniable when somebody like me is targeted, because it is very easy for people to blow it off as: "Oh, you are not important enough to have this happening to you!" But it IS happening and it HAS BEEN happening for 13 years now. No one wants to believe this, simply because I am simply NOT THAT important. ELEANOR: Isn't that the most difficult part? When we talk to friends, family, or coworkers, then they all ask: "How come that they are targeting you? Why are they spending all that time and money on you? You are not anybody." We don't have an answer for that. One proposed, tentative answer that someone has come up with, is that there probably is a political agenda. People who have visited my website know that as many as 1 person per 100 are being targeted in North America today. When you have a targeting rate like that, then you are probably into something political, and you are not simply an isolated experiment for testing out new technology or psychological warfare tactics. Anyway, that is the excuse I use: it is a political agenda! SHER: When you pick on people who aren't important, then it is very easy to deny. People don't want to believe that it could possibly be happening to someone just like them. But it IS, and it could be THEM easily. ELEANOR: Have you any experience with trying to explain to your family about what is happening? SHER: Oh, yes... they ridicule it. "Delusions of grandeur" is one of the things that I got accused of. No one wants to believe that this is going on in the United States of America, but it is... and worldwide, for that matter. Of course, my experience is only in this country. ELEANOR: Just for the listener's benefit: there are people who are exploring the political angle of MANY government crimes, like the commentators of the American Patriot Network. Eleven of these commentators are targeted exactly as we are. Some of them have stated that on the air, and others have told me that privately. If you, listener, want to tune in to some of their shows, the listening details are on my "Patriot Radio listeners guide page" on any of my websites, which are: http://www.multistalkervictims.org http://www.raven1.net http://www.shoestringradio.net Have you any experience with public officials, Sher? SHER: No, I haven't tried to approach any of them personally. I have written a couple of letters to congressmen, and that sort of thing. Interesting enough, one congressperson that I did write to, actually offered to help me, but he ended up dying shortly after this. His name was Steve Schiff, of New Mexico. He was a very nice man and I admired him. He died horribly from an aggressive form of cancer. It took him out very quickly. And I thought that was very strange... and sad, because he was a young man. ELEANOR: On the Patriot Networks, they have had quite a few whistleblowers, who were former government employees. A lot of them are professionals like doctors, scientists, and military officers. Some of the doctors have said that there are artificial viruses, which can produce rapid acting cancer that can almost make you terminal overnight. Now, that maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but not much. SHER: It is very frightening what some of this technology seems capable of doing. ELEANOR: What made you aware that you were being targeted in the beginning? SHER: One of the first things that happened to me was at the time that I was buying a house. I had a little dog, a Miniature Schnauzer that weighted about 15 pounds. One day she started having seizures. When she started jerking and twitching, and I would put put my hand on her, then I could feel a sort of tingling sensation around her body, and then she would go into a grandmal seizure. It was the most frightening thing! I spent a great deal of money with taking her to the vet, and getting her on anti-seizure medication, but none of which really seemed to help. One day she was sitting on the bed with me, and she started jerking and twitching like she was going to have a seizure. All of a sudden the tingling thing, or whatever it was that was on her body, went over to me and I could feel it too. And from then on, the things that happened were absolutely incredible. ELEANOR: Sher, when you say that you first felt the tingling on her - how could you feel something that is happening in her nervous system? Or were you feeling it as well? SHER: Well... I would have my hands on her body, and I could feel it ON HER BODY. It was almost like an envelope. It is like, when you hear the phrase "directed energy weapon", then that is almost exactly what this seems to describe. ELEANOR: Listeners, let me comment on what we are dealing with here. If you listened to the earlier shows, then you know that we are dealing here with electronic weapons that are anti brain and body. They are vast beyond anything that even college professors know about. We are talking about technology, which can do absolutely astonishing things. Yet, these things are routine to us and happen in our lives all the time. I am sure that these weapons and technology will be known eventually, but in the present they are not. We don't really know how they work. We simply know what kind of effects they are causing. So what Sher is describing is not out of line at all, with what hundreds of others have experienced in different forms. SHER: It was the most incredible thing. When I would lie down on the bed, and the dog happened to be there next to me, then I could see its little body jerking in syncopation with the energy waves (or whatever they were) that I would feel going through my body. I had never imagined that something like this could possibly exist, but it sure does! ELEANOR: Have they given you any "pain signals"? SHER: Oh, pain... It is hard to even describe. One night I had the toes on my right foot bent so far back, because the muscles were just literarily cramped, and I mean: rock hard cramped. I could not move or release my toes to save my life, until THEY decided (whoever THEY are) to release my foot. You can't even begin to describe how painfull that feels like. ELEANOR: I had exactly the same thing happen to me. This was during a two years period, which I described during an earlier show, in which I experimented with a 4-layers Faraday box, which shielded from all conventional, electromagnetic signals. And yet, they were able to do to me what also happened to Sher. My toes were bent back 90 degrees. And they put a kind of artistic touch on it: they did one toe at a time. Although these things may sound bizarre to you, listener, I say that these things go on all the time with us. SHER: Another thing they love to do - especially when I am trying to read a book or something - is to twitch an eyelid. This can go on for days at a time. Or they twitch the muscles right underneath the eye. Causing your fingers to twitch or to jerk is another favorite of them. "Teeth clacking" is another thing; you walk around with your teeth literarily slamming shut. ELEANOR: Clacking my teeth together is what the perps like to do to me while I am in bed and trying to sleep. So I wear a large Ace bandage and a foam rubber pad to force my jaw tightly shut at night, or they play with it and clack it up and down. They hold my mouth wide open, which makes it very dry. And they move my jaw sideways, almost to the point of hurting. So I have had the same effects. And I can assure the listeners that others have as well. This is not fiction! We are not telling you this to be sensational, or to make ourselves important. This is simply what is going on in our lives, and has been for years. SHER: Sleep deprivation seems to be one of their primary goals. They love to keep people awake, or to be in control of WHEN and IF the victims are allowed to get any sleep. There are times when it is just impossible to get any sleep, so that I am totally exhausted for most of the time, which makes it almost impossible to lead a normal life. ELEANOR: In my 25 years, sleep deprivation is the most consistent attack method that they have used on me. Can you tell us about the funny, little methods that they use to make you realize that it is artificial and from THEM, instead of just having natural insomnia? SHER: What happens to me a great deal is some sort of rhythm to all of this. For example, the back of my head will feel like someone has bashed it with a baseball bat all night long. Several times the back of my head got so swollen that it was twice the normal size. Whatever they use to target that area, it is just incredible! ELEANOR: I can back you up on that as well. There is a fellow named Ed Light, from California. He actually started one of our largest websites {of the VS/EH community}, which is called THE MIND CONTROL FORUM. As I explained, listener: this is more than mind control, but mind control technology is part of it, and that is how the forum got its name. At any rate, Ed was hit so hard at the back of his head, that when he had an x-ray, then it turned out that he had actually developed a ditched-in area at the back of his head, which you might call a sinus. It did not have any blain in it, but it was just a hollow chamber in the area where he had been hit. So there is someone else, who had similar harassment. Along the line of pain... I have had various body parts put in so much pain, that I can't even describe it with words. With me the pain didn't last very long, but imagine this, listener, if they wanted to recruit someone to help them - and they have MANY ordinary citizens who are helping them with carrying out non-electronic harassment - then all they have to do is to put a person in extreme pain for a few seconds, and to tell them: "You help us, or you are going to get more of this!" SHER: Yes, torture is certainly one way that they bend people to their will. There is no doubt about that. ELEANOR: And more than that, it is a great way to make sure that they keep their mouth shut. That could explain why we are having so much trouble exposing this. SHER: Even if they don't torture that person... just the threat of torturing a child, or another individual that that person loves... It is just like fighting against a brick wall. ELEANOR: Have you ever found yourself awakening at exactly the same time every night? What were some of the times that they used? SHER: Absolutely! Four o'clock in the morning seems to be one of their favorite times with me, assuming that I have been allowed to sleep before that time. ELEANOR: With me too, and it is interesting that Julianne McKinney, who is a former army intelligence officer and one of the early activists in this arena - she reports that 4 am is the favorite time of her perpetrators as well. I have a suspicion that they don't want us to benefit from having "dream sleep", because 4 am is when we start to dream. SHER: If I could impress on the listeners of what it is like... not only for a week, or a month, but just imagine going through this for years. For me it has been 13 years. I know that it has been even longer for you. And your life is totally invaded. You have no privacy. There is nothing left of your life. ELEANOR: Can you see, listeners, how this ties in with totalitarian ambitions on the part of politicians? If you want to rule the world, then what better way then by developing a parallel justice system, in which people do what you say, or else they are treated the way that we are. WE are nobodies, but there is a very good chance that this is used on the enemies of the people who are planning to invoke an "One World" totalitarian government. What we are showing you is how they are going about it. And pay close attention to the fact that what we are describing is all DENIABLE, which means that you can't complain about it without being looked on as crazy. SHER: "Plausible deniability", those are the keywords. Everything that these creeps do is always plausible deniable, because it can always be written down to coincidence, or your imagination, etc. ELEANOR: What is impossible to convey to another human being is FREQUENCY. You can tell them that this is going on, but since most people have had SOME sleepless nights now and then, they don't understand what it is like every night for 10, 15, 20, 25 years. SHER: These terrorists seem to use a two-pronged approach, which involves psychological and physical torture. The psychological part has to do with constantly being trailed, watched, and having your private living quarters invaded. The physical part has to do with constantly having your properties destroyed, like trashing your automobile. ELEANOR: Listener, a question that you might have is: how do they get so many people to cooperate? But we just told you how: they have equipment that can put people in pain so bad that you can't even describe it. So people can be cohered. The amazing book TERRORISTS STALKING IN AMERICA shows that there are also other ways to recruit perpetrators. A review of TERRORISTS STALKING IN AMERICA is on all my websites, including this show's, which is: http://www.shoestringradio.net/terstalk.html My review contains 10 pages of quotes from David Lawson's book. It will show you that even without electronic equipment, people can be recruited into this kind of work. And a lot of them are! If 1 person in a 100 is being targeted, then that means at least 10 out of 100 are doing it, because they operate in large groups, and they rotate {jobs}. So you are talking about maybe 10 percent of the population that is participating in a parallel justice system and practicing on "little nobodies" like us. Now, if YOU, listener, want to keep this people away from your family and your life, then you better learn something from us and help us to shine a spotlight on this. It is my belief that if simply everyone knew what is going on, then that would be sufficient to stop it. The problem is that we are ridiculed or ignored. And that is the purpose of this show: to get you, the listener, involved, or at least to start asking some questions to your local public officials. Ask them what they are doing about vigilante stalking. And if they say that they don't know about this, then ask them: "How come the women assault centers are starting to take this issue seriously? And you don't know anything about this?" SHER: That definitely needs to happen. ELEANOR: Have you had much street theatre? For the listener: "street theatre" means harassment, usually by strangers as you move about the community, or at home from neighbours. SHER: That has been happening to me from the very first. It started with a couple of people that I recognized in Albuquerque. When I moved for my job, they followed me from New Mexico to a different State. So it doesn't matter where you move, or how many times you move. It is always there. Always! It was very obvious in that particular case, because at that time the license plates in New Mexico were a very bright yellow. There were two guys in a car driving around at my new work location and around my apartment. One of my coworkers even mentioned the fact that that plate was from New Mexico, but he didn't recognize the two men in the car, but I sure did. These people are extremely good at break in and entering, and creating little skits that only the victim will recognize. Somebody with the victim wouldn't necessarily recognize what is going on. ELEANOR: Can you describe some of the stuff that is going on inside your house? SHER: Oh, yes, I have had so many things... One of the things that happened right away was mail tempering. I had lived at the same address for 8 years and the mail delivery had been just fine. All of a sudden my mail started being delivered to the Albuquerque public school system. Other times the mail got not delivered at all, or it ended up out on the lawn, or at the neighbour's house... just all over the place. I have always had an unpublished telephone number, and another thing that happened to me in Alberguergue was that on several nights I would pick up the phone and I would hear a song being played to me over the telephone line. When I moved to the State where my new job was, on several nights there I heard the same song played to me over the telephone line. ELEANOR: It is clear from both direct observation (by those of us being targeted) and David Lawson's TERRORISTS STALKING IN AMERICA that technicians in utilities like telephone, electric, water, and so on, are especially valuable to the harassment groups as recruits. They can put you through hell! The telephone system is a MAJOR instrument for harassing us. There are times that I get so many wrong numbers that I can't even answer the phone, because there is no point in leaving the ringer on. It is always a wrong number. Sometimes the callers are perpetrators who are very sarcastic about it. Other times the callers are innocent people who know that they have dialed the correct number, because they used the memory in their telephone, but they got ME instead. SHER: Right! And they have somehow been rewired to go to your line, which is apparently quite easy for these perpetrators to do. Messing with the phone system seems to be one of their areas of expertise. ELEANOR: Well, it is actually done by employees in the phone system, which have been recruited by the perpetrators. SHER: I am sure that is true. Let's face it: for enough money, some people would do anything. ELEANOR: It is actually more that money. The basic fuel that keeps these people going is LIES. These telephone technicians think that they are helping to harass someone with a vicious, criminal record: a prostitute, a drug dealer, or a pedophile. SHER: I know that, because some of my former coworkers had previously been very friendly to me. I had dinner at their homes. I even spent a couple of nights at the house of one woman. We watched television with her family and everything was fine. The next thing I know was that she had become the most hateful creature on the planet Earth. For the last year of my working career she was absolutely hateful toward me. I have no idea what she was told about me, but the change in her behaviour was completely as night and day. ELEANOR: I am retired now, but if I was still working and it happened to me, then I would simply reproach that person, straight up, and I would ask: "WHO told you WHAT about me?" I would put them on a spot. SHER: You know... one of the things that goes in favor of these perpetrators is that it takes the victims a while to realize what is going on. At first you simply cannot believe this is happening to you. Gradually, and over time, as more things start happening, then you start to realize that something is very, very wrong here. You learn by experience, I guess. ELEANOR: One of the most distressing things is that it goes with you when you move. And when that happens, then the first thing you think is: "Then it can't be just those people in the last city. There must be something wrong with me!" It took me 16 out of my 25 years to figure out that this was an organized, networked effort. It wasn't just bad luck, and it wasn't just me. What was it that turned on the light for you? SHER: I guest just years and years of the same stuff happening over again: being followed through stores, having things stolen, having property destroyed. I lived in my apartment alone, and when I would find things at home thrashed that I know that I hadn't done, then it had to be somebody else. For example, I had a nice set of stainless steel cooking pans that my mother had given me. One night, I came home and wanted to fix myself a dinner, when I discovered that the pans had been so beaten up that they wouldn't even sit flat on a burner anymore. They were made totally useless for cooking. I know that I didn't bang my pans up that badly. I wouldn't have the strength to do that anyway. Those were the things that would happen over and over again, and you eventually learn that there is definitely something going on. ELEANOR: And everybody knows that stainless steel is about the toughest material on the planet. The force required to hammer it out of shape is phenomenal. You almost can't do it yourself, because you need help of something with leverage. SHER: Exactly! And these pans were so beaten up that they were made totally useless. ELEANOR: A nice thing from the perpetrator's standpoint is that you can't complain about it. SHER: Exactly. What are you going to do? Call the police and say that your stainless steel pans have been bent out of shape"? The police don't want to hear about stuff like that. ELEANOR: Listener, do you see what is going on here? Every single thing that they do, is carefully designed so that it can be denied. If the target complains, then the target is seen as mentally ill. What were some of the other things that happened to you? SHER: It can be silly, little things that you might expect from an adolescent male to pull, to big, expensive things. One of the things that they love to do, is to steal things and then to return them a week or two later. Once I had a spare tube of toothpaste that was still in the box. It disappeared for a couple of weeks, and then it came back to the drawer where it was taken from. People might say that I forgot about the toothpaste, or whatever. So I marked this tube of toothpaste with a red marking pen. And at the time that I really needed the new tube of toothpaste, I took it out of the box again and it suddenly only half of the toothpaste was left. The tube looked like it was smashed with a fist. So it can be little things or big things, but it is always something that you couldn't complain about to a policeman or your congressman. But after a number of years, when it has happened over, and over, and over again... ELEANOR: It is like the Chinese water torture. Let me tell you something else about toothpaste that will illustrate how well networked the perpetrators are. I was talking with one of our members who was targeted and has voice-to- skull communications with her attackers. Listener, in earlier shows we talked about voice-to-skull! This technology is over 30 years old. At any rate, she was having these synthetic telepathic conversations with her tormentors. I said to her: "Ask your tormentors how many tubes of toothpaste that I have in the compartment under my sink." I had four, since I like to stock up. They came immediately back to her with the answer that I had 4 tubes of toothpaste here. Now, I am in Hamilton, Ontario, and she is in California. So there you are! These people are networked like you wouldn't believe. They are all interconnected by satellite. SHER: I think that people should realize that when you are chosen as a victim, then there is no aspect of your life that is private. They know what you do, when you do it, what time you do it, how long you do it. It doesn't matter what it is. You are under surveillance, 24 hours a day, and 7 days a week. Anywhere you go. Whatever you do. I have had people physically follow me through grocery stores and drugs stores, and quite often it will be the same people. They even follow me while driving from one end of the city to the next. I live in a city that is fairly spread out. There will be a group that will follow you through a part of the city, and then they pass you over to another group that will follow you through another part of the city. ELEANOR: In my book review of TERRORISTS STALKING IN AMERICA by David Lawson on this show's website, the author describes how groups trade off when following targets. And that is all they do. Most of the time they just follow you. In rare occasions they try to induce you to have an accident or they stage an accident in which they hit YOU. That actually happened to me. So please understand that what Sher is describing here is happening to other people too. SHER: When I still had a car, then I had people trying to run me off the road, or to get me into an accident. ELEANOR: I always was a very careful driver. I don't drive now, because I am retired and I can't afford a car. They never caught me on the road, but they once caught me in a large mall parking lot. A guy came shooting out from between a row of parked cars, and he hit my car so hard that it pushed me about 10 feet sideways on dry pavement. It was obvious that this guy was a perpetrator, because he was sarcastic and suppressing a laugh. Again, you know that it was a setup, but there is simply nothing you can do about it. SHER: I recall that I had an Indian blanket for display hanging on my wall. One night I came home from work and there had been a knot tied in the trenches on all four sides of the blanket. I know that I didn't tie those knots there, and they weren't there when I left. That's the thing! It can be from anything as small as that, to a car accident. ELEANOR: I live alone and I almost never have anybody here. And yet things like that happen to me. For example, I come home and I find that some of my shower curtain rings have been opened and linked together, because they want you to know that they can freely come in and out of your apartment... SHER: And they do it quite often! ELEANOR: In my case I would say on an average of weekly. SHER: When I was still working, I worked fairly long hours. So the perps had a great deal of time to come into my house to do all kind of things. Abusing my dog was one of them, and also destruction of property that I owned. I have yet to see a kind of lock or burglar alarm that will keep these people out. They are extremely good at break in and entering. It doesn't matter what or where. If they want in, then they are going to get in. ELEANOR: My apartment had an alarm, but they came in anyway. It didn't stop them at all. I got the printout of the setting and unsetting of the alarm from the company, but it didn't register their entries. SHER: Exactly the same thing happened to me. I had an alarm installed in one of my apartments, but it didn't stop them in the least. ELEANOR: And you are talking about the abuse of your dog... I think one of the most horrific abuses was when one of our members came home and found his dog blind, because the perpetrators had mixed some antifreeze in the dog's water dish. And when you don't have a pet, then the perps will go out to find some hapless animal to cut its throat and to throw it onto your doorstep. SHER: Yes, I have had that happen to me too. With me it was always birds. They kill birds and leave them on my doorstep or the sidewalk, wherever that they were sure that I would see it. So yes, these people are brazen and cruel. They are not above anything. ELEANOR: Did you once tell me you had to give a dog away in a try to save her life? SHER: That was the Miniature Schnauzer. I gave her away in the hope of saving her life. I hope it did, because I don't know. ELEANOR: Well, it certainly saved her from torment anyway. I love animals. I would love to have a pet myself, but I can't do it. Even the squirrels in the park that I use as pet substitutes have been tortured by these people. They got hold of a squirrel and cut its bowels out. These are Satan worshipping people. They are not normal human beings at all. Listeners, if you hear someone say that there is not such thing as Satan worship, then don't believe it. These people exist, but they are just very cunning and clever about covering up their activities. In the area of San Diego, psychologists have gone out in the woods and discovered some of their sacrifice sites, and those pictures are posted on my website as well. These people are for real and are horrible, horrible creatures. What Sher and I are describing is REALLY happening all the time to REAL people. SHER: The thing is: if these people are willing to do this to a cat, a dog, or a bird, then they are certainly not above doing it to a child or an incapacitated, elderly human being. They are not above anything. ELEANOR: Remember that David Lawson actually infiltrated the perpetrator organization and rode around with them, while they were doing their harassment. He found that the children of a target are a favorite way to get at the target. So plenty children of targeted people are targeted as well. These people cry and beg: "How can we stop this?" What usually happens is that the parent will try to get it stopped by appealing to the authorities, but what then happens is that the authorities will take the child away. Statistics are beginning to show this, but not very well yet. A lot of the people that are victims of this have been on the Patriot Network to describe what happened. Often when these kids are taken away from their parents, then they are abused even worse. They turn up with black and blue eyes, for example, while the System refuses to explain how they got in that condition. Some of the kids are even sold as sex slaves. It is hard to prove that, because the international pedophile organization is one of the most secretive and best covered up networks there is. The reason for that is - bizarrely - because people that gravitate towards positions of power tend to be pedophiles themselves. This is a little bit off subject here, but don't take my word for it. Research it yourself. Put "pedophilia" into a search engine, or listen to the Patriot broadcasters of which the details are on my websites. Did you tell me that you had some holes burned into your skin? SHER: Yes, that is another thing that they have done. When I am allowed any sleep, then sometimes I wake up in the morning with holes literally burned into my skin. One night I was standing in front of the bathroom mirror and I actually watched as a line was being drawn in my skin. It was almost as if someone was standing there with a laser. I don't claim to know how this technology works, but I tell you: it is real, and it IS happening. ELEANOR: Let me say something to the listener. When you hear us talking this way, then one of the first things that come to mind, is: "You people are either demon possessed or plagued by poltergeists." Neither demonic possession or poltergeists act the way that things are happening to us. If you are possessed or troubled by poltergeists, then you don't have working people sabotaging your office. And you don't have people in the neighbourhood telling lies and making noise all the time. And generally when you move, things change, if they don't stop then at least they change, but that is not true for us. A lot of these seemingly supernatural events are tied in closely to our behaviour at the moment. For example, my arms get shoved around, but only when my arms are in the vicinity of some very sharp edged kitchen cabinets. I had gashes all over my forearms from enduring this. I took a file, and rounded off the corners of the kitchen cabinet doors. Immediately, from that point forward, and that is about 8 years ago now, not once have my arms even got close to those cabinet doors. Poltergeists don't operate that way, and neither do demons. SHER: These are people of flesh and blood that are aware of what they are doing. We are just simply the guinea pigs. We are the human collateral in this situation. I think the Nazi's referred to us as the "useless eaters", or something like that. ELEANOR: Well, the Nazi's and the American and Canadian governments still refer to us in that way. You can hear about that on the Patriot Radio broadcasts. Did you have any success with networking with people? SHER: I have talked to a few people, and their stories are remarkably similar to what I have been going through. If nothing else, then at least I know that I am not alone in this, because this is definitely happening to other people as well: the invasion of your private life, the destruction of your property, physical torture... their stories are very much the same. ELEANOR: What about the people that live in your city? SHER: I have talked to a few people that live here, and again the same thing. They can tell what I am going to say almost down the line, because it happens to them too. ELEANOR: Have they had any formal meetings? SHER: Not that I am aware of at this point. I think there might be one woman working on that. ELEANOR: There are a few groups. We have a very small one in Toronto and one in California. There is one in New York City that has as many as 40 members. Of course, part of the problem is that the harassment varies between people, and each person wants to talk about a different facet of it. It is kind of hard to get people off of their own harassment and on to organized activism. Another thing is that careers are absolutely destroyed, de-mo-lished. I worked as an engineer, but when I was aged 60 the sabotage and the harassment in the office got so bad that I was forced to resign prematurely. People had gone to every place that I had applied for jobs to replace that job and either they said that they knew me and acted stupid, or said something that persuaded them not to hire me. So I ended up spending three years as a part-time security guard. This is why we are not organized, why we can't go advertising on a mainstream radio network. We are all broke! And the fact that we are broke, doesn't mean that it isn't happening, because it is part of their plan. SHER: We are all driven into poverty. I no longer have a car, because I couldn't afford to keep repairing the damage that was being done to it. ELEANOR: Yes, Sueann {Campbell} has had damage such as putting jello in the transmission, which eventually wrecks the transmission. She had a hole drilled into her water pomp, which merely costed her her engine. So these things are really happening. Poltergeists don't put jello in the transmission or drill holes in your water pomp. SHER: What ever I did to fix my car, then within a week or two it would be undone. My car sometimes would end up worse than it was in the first place. I have had things like my air filter changed, and within a week or two the air filter was completely taken out of my car. When I had put new tires on my car, then my new tires were slashed. I simply couldn't afford it any longer. ELEANOR: This is the story, listeners. Again, we urge you to go to the show's website, or other websites dealing with this issue. "Raven1.net" is easy to remember. Or go to a search engine and put in "multistalker" and then you will find it. Sher, I want to thank you very much. It has been great talking to you. Hopefully, when we talk again, we have made better progress in exposing and stopping this crime syndrome. SHER: Thank you, Eleanor! ELEANOR: For more information on vigilante gang stalking and electronic harassment, please see the links to other websites on this show's website, which is: http://www.shoestringradio.net Well, folks, that's it for today. I invite you to join us again next time as we travel the ROAD TO FREEDOM. And remember, FREEDOM ISN'T FREE! ========================================================= [This transcript is based on the MP3-recording of this show, the notes for this show as provided by ms. White, and the information on her websites. The transcript was made by Madelger.]