ROAD TO FREEDOM Show #8 TITLE: Interview with secret society researcher Alan Watt HOST: Eleanor White DESCRIPTION: Alan Watt has been a long time researcher of history, religion, politics and crime, and in particular the involvement of secret societies in these arenas. Secret society members tend to fill positions of high authority; hence, their crimes have far more impact on citizens than individual criminals. Alan states that citizen gang stalking and electronic harassment can be documented as originating from within the criminal elements of secret societies. FILE NAME: show8.mp3 DATE: July 21, 2005 LENGTH: 57m, 29s WEBSITES OF ELEANOR WHITE http://www.shoestringradio.net http://www.multistalkervictims.org http://www.raven1.net TOPICS DISCUSSED ON THIS SHOW Bertrand Russell black helicopter car following target chemtrails HAARP implants Nick Begich (Wendy Mesler show) photocopy shop problems Plato's Republic Sweet Liberty program (Jacky Patru) Voice to skull Zbigniew Brzezinski ADDITIONAL INFORMATION Archived broadcasts of Alan Watt can be found at: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com "Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era" a book by author Zbigniew Brzezinski Sweet Liberty show http://www.sweetliberty.org "Terrorist Stalking in America" a book by author David Lawson. http://www.scramblingnews.com/catpage.html Mentioned works by author Bertrand Russell: 1) "Education and the Good Life" (1926) 2) "The Impact of Science on Society" (1952) ADDRESS OF GUEST ALAN WATT Alan Watt Site 41 - Box 4 Estaire, Ontario Canada P3E 4N1 VOICES ELEANOR: Eleanor White ALAN: Alan Watt ========================================================= The God who gave us life, gave us LIBERTY! The problem is, there are people in power these days who really don't like that! Come, travel the ROAD TO FREEDOM, with your host Eleanor White. Welcome to show #8, recorded on July 21, 2005. ROAD TO FREEDOM is a listener-sponsored show by and about all the targets of electronically assisted vigilante gang stalking throughout the world. ROAD TO FREEDOM brings you the latest information on this crime wave, which has so far been denied by every government and private agency whose mission is to help those who are targets of crime. The opinions expressed are those of the hosts and guests, and may not be those of others who are targets of vigilante stalking and electronic harassment, or of any person or group who may replay these recorded programs. Information for anyone who is thinking about donating to keep ROAD TO FREEDOM on the air is found on the cover page of this show's website, at the bottom. This show's website is: http://www.shoestringradio.net Vigilante stalking, and the covert use of advanced electronic weapons on vigilante stalking targets, is basically the use of lies - again: LIES - to motivate networked groups of citizens to destroy the lives of their innocent targets. These programs are about the ongoing efforts to expose this activity, and hopefully, to stop it. Today, we will be talking with mister Alan Watt, a long time researcher of history, religion, politics and crime, and in particular the involvement of secret societies in these arenas. Of particular interest to the anti-vigilante stalking and electronic harassment movement are crimes either initiated by, or sanctioned by government. The government has been keeping a tight lid on vigilante stalking and electronic harassment, and has a history - as explained in earlier shows - of actually committing similar crimes in the name of national security. Alan Watt and other researchers have repeatedly found that membership in secret societies is a prerequisite for positions of authority in all levels of government. The problem is that secret societies have huge portions of their membership who have that no idea that - say 10 percent of their members - are actively but covertly committing grievous crimes. In fact, several targets of vigilante stalking and electronic harassment have reported that known secret societies members, usually of the order of free and accepted Masons have participated in their harassment. So it is not all senior members. Some selected junior members are apparently participants as well. Alan Watt has more to tell along these lines. Alan has written 3 books that are based on his research, and I will let Alan himself tell the listeners how the books can be ordered. The reason I asked Alan to come on this show is that he has also experienced the type of attacks that is characteristic of vigilante stalking and electronic harassment. Welcome to ROAD TO FREEDOM, Alan. ALAN: It is a pleasure to be on. ELEANOR: Could you tell us how the listeners can order your books, because they are not available in bookstores? ALAN: No, they can write to me. The books are 25 {Canadian} dollars each, which includes postage and packing. The contents of the books us not regular off the shelf information. I begin my research from the ancient times to the present time, and documented the books with the scant information, which is available when you research it. If you want a book, then send 25 {Canadian} dollars from your post office to: Alan Watt Site 41 - Box 4 Estaire, Ontario Canada P3E 4N1 I can fill them in on more information if they require it. The information contained within my books goes back as far as Sumer and the philosophers of Greece. They were already talking about a secret society that was in existence in their days, and probably ever since. It is very real, and it is all about control of the world. I bring up current authors who have been working in governments, the CIA, or in MI6 in Britain, and who have written books about the technique of electronic harassment, which is very real as well. It is documented, and it is being used on the public on a much wider scale today, than in the 1960's, when they were testing it out on individuals and targeting them. Many military guys in Britain suddenly believed that they were being controlled by a computer. This was a new phenomenon that came in from the psychiatric hospitals in the 1960's. Many years later, the governments admitted that they selected soldiers, who had minor operations while in the military. They had various implants put in to see what effects this had. ELEANOR: Alan, excuse me a second, before we get too far into this topic... You have given the listeners enough to become interested in your books. I just want to repeat your address, so they can hear it from two different voices, as your telephone connection tends to be a little bit weak. [10:00] These books are 25 dollars each. A postal money order is fine, but if you send it from outside of Canada, then be sure that you send it in CANADIAN DOLLARS. My understanding is that you can send an American postal money order, but you must tell the clerk that you want to send it INTERNATIONAL. {Eleanor repeats Alan's address.} To this point, Alan has said that he has written about the people behind the power structure throughout history. He has discovered that the secret society and the people who are lusting for power, are not only aware of electronic harassment, but are almost certainly behind it as well. And in private they are very brutal. They don't pull any punches. They will do anything to achieve their dream, which is world domination with their particular members at the top. Would you like to continue? You were talking about electronic harassment and these people who lust for power. ALAN: Yes, it goes as far back as Plato, the Greek philosopher. He wrote about a perfect, future society, which he called the "Republic" or "World State". He said that there would be a guardian class that would run it from the top. It would have a halting class of bureaucrats and military. He said that the time would come that women will also serve in the front line with the men, and that would be the time for their final take over, which is happening today. ELEANOR: It certainly is. ALAN: Plato also said that the perfect world we shall construct, would be based on the breeding of selected people for special purposes. So we're into eugenics here. He said that outside of the guardian class, those who are in the military and have military mindsets would be interbred with the women in the military, so that their offspring will function for military uses. We shall breed short, squat men for going into mines, and tall men will be able to pick apples, for instance. In other words, just like domesticated animals that are interbred for specific qualities. He didn't say "the lower classes", but he called them the "its", because they were not human as far as he was concerned. ELEANOR: And let me say that establishing total control is the only way these things can be done. That is what leads us to this overwhelming harassment, night and day, both by human beings and electronic equipment that is so advanced that the university professors don't know about it. ALAN: Yes, and that's the key to the system in which we live. I talked to many high Masons that were way above 33 degrees level, and they independently told me the same things. One of those things was that they have 3 levels of every science and religion they create or push, and I was told that professorship is the lowest level of any science. ELEANOR: We, who are the targets of this stuff, can assure the listeners who have not experienced it, that what Alan just said is the absolute truth. What we have experienced is basically the most bizar happenings, which you read about as "paranormal", for example. We do not have a clue how it is done. Obviously, someone does, because it is being done. And it's not a poltergeist, because the timing is different. We are being observed all the time and the timing is such as when you are doing something messy, or something precise, then you will have your body and limbs shoved around, so that you can't do it. That is not characteristic of a poltergeist attack. You will find that this happens when you go to work as well, or when you are in your car. So, what we are saying is that our experience backs up Alan's assertion one hundred percent. There are at least two levels of science beyond what the best university physics professor knows about. ALLAN: That's right. It's all compartmentalized. Some of the equipment they have, has been used since the 1950's. This was shown on the WENDY MESLER SHOW (a CBC television program), when she had Nick Begich from Alaska on. Nick Begich is the son of a congressman who was killed in a plane crash. He began his own investigation and then came into this world of HAARP-technologies and mind control devices. In the WENDY MESLER SHOW Nick had a table full of these little, handheld TV remote converter type devices, some not larger than a package of cigarettes, and some even smaller. He told Wendy to stand 20 feet away from him. He pointed one of the devices at her and said: "What do you hear?" Wendy said: "I can hear music right in the center of my head." This was a live television program. ELEANOR: Allan, this is brand new to me. I am stunned by it. I didn't know that Nick had equipment that could do that. We definitely have to get in touch with him to find out what that was. ALLAN: Well, I recorded the show. He said: "If I wanted to I could just as easily have put words into your head. This equipment is obsolete. The CIA was using this in the 1950's. Can you imagine what they have today?" ELEANOR: Yes, but we don't have to imagine, do we? You and I, and the rest of us {targets}? Can you tell us about some of your experiences that jolted you to the reality of this stuff? That it is not just written in some books somewhere, but this is for real and you have experienced it? ALLAN: I have also known people who were implanted with chips and had them removed. They all had minor operations while they were in the military. They had terrible upsets after they were discharged. One {of them} was actually committed to a mental institution. He said that there was something in his spine that was controlling him. They X-rayed him and found a tiny {thing}, which they didn't know what it was at the time, but they removed it, and it all stopped. Back in the and 1960's and 70's they were mainly testing it out on military people. ELEANOR: That's quite a while ago. Most of our membership is not military. I was in the military, but I never found any evidence of an implant. A few of us have had implants. [20:00] The common experience of those who have it taken out, is that the doctor loses it or won't give it to us, while saying something like: "This doesn't belong to you, so I am not going to give it to you." ALAN: I guess it is probably the Department of Defense that owns it. ELEANOR: Well, ultimately, because as most savvy people know these days that the government tends to do things through front entities like universities and businesses. ALAN: Yes, they do. When I was on the radio in 1998, I noticed what happened if they can't directly control you, or get into your body. They then try to get into something near or next to you to cause upsets. There will be tremendous flare-ups when you are writing something or are about to come up on a show. If they have a hard time controlling you, then they do it to a person near you. It can even be a neighbour. ELEANOR: Amen. Let me comment, listeners, that Alan has been broadcasting on radio station WWCR out of Tennessee for some years now, which is a 100,000 Watt short wave station that reaches all over the world. He appears quite often on the SWEET LIBERTY program, hosted by Jackie Patru. If anyone goes to my site and looks up the Patriot broadcasters, then they can find Jackie's show and hear Alan fairly often. ALAN: They have an archive with shows as well. We ran through a lot of this kind of information. Three years ago, I also noticed that whenever I was driving on country roads, that all the oncoming vehicles, one after another, came back again. It happened for a matter of weeks, and I thought: "What is happening with these people?" I could only conclude that something was making them to turn over. ELEANOR: I don't know if you have read "Terrorists Stalking in America" by David Lawson. He is a private investigator in Florida. He actually infiltrated some of these gangs and road with them. They do travel around in convoys. You were probably facing a convoy of these stalking gang members. ALAN: I live in the country, down near Mansfield, which is north of Toronto. One night I was walking my dog. I got on an adjunct road with always very little traffic on it, and then a black SUV drove up, very slow, with its lights off. I stood there, of course wondering why this thing was conscious of me. I was standing on the middle of the road. It was very dark. I shone my flashlight at it. Of course, it had light-tinted windows. It just stood there, stationary and halfway up the hill for 10 minutes, and then it reversed all the way back, about half a mile. When I got up the next morning there was a black SUV standing just outside my house. I opened the door, and the car drove off again. These are harassment techniques that are used to frighten you and to put you off from what you are doing. ELEANOR: I can only remember the time that I had a guy in a black Cadillac, dressed like a mafia don, pull up in front of me and stare at me for a full hour, when I did my first picketing excursion here, in Hamilton, Ontario. It didn't stop me. He caught on me at a stoplight. He pulled up very close and almost hit me. He rolled down his passenger window and looked at me with a big, toothy grin and applauded. I swear this fellow was recruited, because he looked exactly like the mafia don Carlo Gambino. He had a great fedora with a black band. It was a classic! It didn't stop me, and nothing happened after that, but they do these things. This is par for the course. ALAN: The worst {incident} I got was probably 4 years ago, in the wintertime, {when} I did a lot of shows. There was a tremendous response and I was beginning to bring in the Canadian listeners. Just before I came on a show, a helicopter came overhead, so low that the house shook. I had a fire going, and the next thing I knew my door flew open and my chimney was on fire. So I ran outside and looked up. Right above the chimney was this black, military type helicopter, which took off. I was prepared for this kind of thing to happen. I ran up with a hose to put out the fire. There was a very bright, brilliant white residue around the top of the chimney, which was first damp, but bursted into flames when it dried up. I believe it was magnesium. ELEANOR: Or phosphorus. ALAN: And phosphorus. They do these kinds of things if you are getting out to people and are telling them these obvious truths that they don't want to be known by the public. ELEANOR: Absolutely. I have 3 recording adapters, which are defunct. I bought them brand new within the last month. I tested every one of them when I got home. I immediately put them in my shoulder bag and carried it there. They have never left my sight. And yet, they have been remotely disabled. So they do not like publicity! ALAN: They don't mind if you are simply into the political games and believe this or that politician, but if you are getting closer to the truth that there is a hidden hand behind all of this, then you start to come under fire. ELEANOR: Alan, why don't you tell the listeners about what happened not long ago, when you tried to get your third book copied? ALAN: Yes. What happened was that I had many copies of the first two made up in different photocopy shops down {Barrie way ?}, and I never had any problem at all. I had a couple of sets made up in a different Staples in Sudbury. ELEANOR: For listeners, I don't know if "Staples" exists outside Canada, but Staples is a large office equipment and services supplier here. ALAN: I had especially trouble getting one copy reproduced. They always fouled it up. So this time, I thought, I need all three done with this new one as well. So I took the third master copy to Staples. I waited until most of the daily rush was over and went in about 5 o'clock in the afternoon. The girl looked at them and said: "Oh, that will be no problem. Probably in half a hour, I have 10 sets of each of them made up." I left for a walk for half an hour. When I came back I saw a pandemonium all over the store. There were 3 girls working there. One of them was the assisting manageress who was running through my master copies. She was pulling out pages of which she thought the typing was too close to the edge, or something. She was redoing those pages, but not putting them back in the file. [30:00] They had copied pages of my stuff across the entire workbench, which was 25 to 30 feet long. My master copies were on the frontbench where the costumers come in. Some of the customers were reading them. I said to the manageress: "What is going on here?" She said that there was some trouble with the machine. They had two big photocopy machines there. She said that she didn't understand it, because the machines had worked the whole day, but they both jammed each time my copies were being made. I was there for 4 hours. The machines turned off so many pages that they got scattered around on the workbench. It was weird to watch it happening. Three women were working independently on my stuff and not communicating with each other. And at one point, when it was quiet, I said: "What's happening? I have been waiting here for 4 hours." The girl that was working on my stuff, was reading it. She turned around like a robot and said with a very placid face: "Well, nothing at the moment. Should there be something happening?" I said: "You are all standing there and reading my material, and the machines have stopped." She said: "Oh, we are not allowed to read the costumer's material.", but I was watching them doing that for the last hour, or so! These people were oblivious of what they were doing. Her answer was out of context with the mess that was all around her. Even the manager came across, and said: "It must be the humidity that is jamming up." I said: "Well, how come there were 5 customers in between and then the machines worked fine?" The manager just repeated what he had said with a strange look on his face. ELEANOR: Let me back you up, Alan, because you are not unique in this. I just spent 3 days in a copy shop here in Hamilton, trying to get a 8.5 by 11 {inch} version of the vigilante stalking shoulder patch, which is on the cover page of SHOESTRINGRADIO.NET. It was a simple, single, iron-on transfer for a T-shirt. It has taken me 3 days. Every time I went in there, the gal that runs the shop is on the telephone with technical support for her colour copier. She says that every time she puts on my job, the photocopier screws up. She finally got me one. I brought it home and followed the instructions exactly, but it shredded to pieces! So, she made another copy on another brand of transfer and the same thing happened again. So after 3 days and half a dozen visits and several hours on her part to do one SINGLE copy, I still don't have a transfer. This happens all the time. Just last night Jackie {Patru} couldn't print out a report that she wanted for her show! The perpetrators are somehow able to disable anything electronic at a distance, and to do it surgically! They can flick a failure off and on like a light switch. So, if another costumer comes in, it will work fine. This is not fiction or sensationalism, although Alan is an author selling books, that's not why we are here. We are passing on the state of technology to you as it actually IS, as opposed to what you have been told when you were in school, and through the popular media. ALAN: Well, I found that out too. At the very end, after about 4 hours and 15 minutes, I said: "Well, try to find what you have got left of the master copies. Throw them in a box, and I just take them home." So, they did that, but I still had to do most of it myself. I had to clear the front desk. There were pages lying everywhere, an occasional page here and another one there. I said: "I don't want everybody to read my material. You got hundreds of pages lying all over the shop here." And the girl said: "We won't read those. They have to be shredded." What was interesting, was that they were all standing in different parts of the store, reading pages silently. I wondered what was reading them through their eyes, which was the impression I got at that time. ELEANOR: That's more than an impression, Alan. Our group does have occasional instances where some sort of harassment is planned, based on what could only have been seen through our eyes. Briefly, I ordered 15 topographic maps of New England where I originally lived. I got every single map ID-number correct on the order {form}. The order came in with 3 maps that were picked incorrectly. However, there was something special about the ones that were substituted. Every single one of those was a map that I had focused my eyes on, and then had said: "No, I am not going to order that one." This is the type of stuff they pull. They want us to know that they have these capabilities, but they choose to do things in such a way that you can't proof it to anyone. If you tell it to anyone, then you are considered mentally ill. ALAN: Yes, and of course, you have got information to a part, so any information you have, is discredited as well when you tell them what is happening. ELEANOR: However, Alan, you know, we are in the 21st century and more and more people are reporting that they are being targeted. One in a hundred, for example, is a fairly good estimate based on surveys. We think it is time to get the information in front of the public, regardless whether they like it or not, and believe it or not, because it is true! ALAN: It is the truth, and it is documentable. I call it the System, because it is their system in which we live. We are trained as a workforce to get into the System and basically work for them. Every so often they upgrade the System. Right now, we are in the middle of a very big upgrade into the next stage, which is going to be a vastly different world to the one that we have known. Bertrand Russell was a British Lord that wrote a book in particular on this topic. He had experimented with behavior modification on children in the beginning of the 1900's at charted schools from the British loyalty. He was finding ways to get prepubertal children interested in sex, just to see what effect that would have on them after puberty. He wanted to see if he could create a generation of sex-addicted teenagers. That was his mission. ELEANOR: Well, he has succeeded, hasn't he? Kids are so young these days... ALAN: His book was called "Education and the Good Life". It is worth getting hold of for anyone who wants to know that they have been involved in experiments on the mind. Later on, he wrote a book called: "The Impact of Science on Society", which might be available in your library. It is an excellent read, because in this book he says that a mind control technique based on electronics, will shortly be induced on every individual in this world. [40:00] He said that emotional changes are the easiest to induce, but we can go much further, and the people concerned will have no idea that this technique is used on them. Bertrand Russell was a high spokesman for the groups that run this world. ELEANOR: I can back him up, because while it doesn't happen really often, we (targets) do go through instances that we do something out of character, but we cannot tell if these thought control patterns are imposed on us. There is no sensation, but you certainly do know it once it is finished. You do strange things, like I once went to the office in the middle of the night, and I was sure to get there. When I got there I suddenly realized that this thought was over and I had no reason to be there. So, we can testify what Alan is telling. ALAN: Yes, and if you need a better-documented, major book, put out by Zbigniew Brzezinski. He was {inaudible} and the head of Department for War under Reagan and other presidents. At the present time he is an advisor to George Bush. He has been on the television recently in Canada along with Henry Kissinger, talking about this world that is coming. Both of them, Brzezinski and Kissinger are members of the Bilderberger group, which is very high world decision-making group that holds annual meetings and is very well guarded. Wherever they go, the Queen goes and the banking families of the world go. You always know who is going to be president, because the president will be asked to go {to the Bilderberger group} before he runs for presidency. That is where they choose them. ELEANOR: And guess who went to a recent meeting? Arnold Schwarzenegger. ALAN: That's right! Not only that, but Lord Rothschild of Britain had a helicopter fly him to his castle when he was there. ELEANOR: Listeners, we know from done research that Arnold Schwarzenegger's past is such that he is in favor of the same type of things that Adolph Hitler was. ALAN: He is into eugenics, but that is what bodybuilding is. It is changing from what you are, into something that they think is more perfect. And that is basically where it is all going. Brzezinski wrote a book in the 1970's called "Between Two Ages" with a section called "the Technetronic Era", and remember that Brzezinski is still an advisor to the president. THE TECHNETRONIC ERA goes through the same scenario that Bertrand Russell has written many years before him. In it he says that it is true that the various technological advances we have are unknown by the general public. He says that we are now at the issue to control the minds of every single individual on the planet, and without their knowledge or even being aware of it. Brzezinski brought in some of the HAARP-technologies, such as a station in Alaska that uses an electromagnetic pulsation, plus the smaller, mobile versions that they do have. Brzezinski said there are various means to improve the capability of HAARP-technology to control the minds. The air must be full of metallic type particles, which will make the atmosphere far more conductive and will spread out the pulsations to a far greater area. In the last few years a spraying has been going on all over the world, except in China and Switzerland, which were the only countries that not signed the Open Skies treaty. You will find that they are spraying aluminum oxide, barium, and there are also traces of copper among the metallic substances. It is definitely making the atmosphere more conductive to the pulsation from the HAARP-type technology. You can pick up these stations on the short wave radio. They are going 24 hours a day now. The sound is unmistakable, because it sounds like nothing else you will hear on the short wave. ELEANOR: Is that the motorboat sound that we are hearing right now, Alan? ALAN: What we are hearing now is on a different frequency than the original one. The Soviets were using it. This sounds more like: WOW -WOW - WOW. The sound is loud, constant, and very evenly spaced. You can find it just before the 12.160 MHz band in the morning. In the afternoon and during the night you will find it before 5.000 MHz. It is going 24 hours a day now. And that is just the one in Alaska. Of course, they have coupled the Tesla-technology -Tesla was the guy who first came out with it - with the satellites so that they can boost their capability, and target any area, or pinpoint any individual they want to on the planet. ELEANOR: Do you have any books that are authoritative on reference that say that? ALAN: They have articles written about the HAARP-project in some of the Canadian newspaper quite a few years ago. ELEANOR: The problem with the literature is that it is so deluded, I mean, to find a reference to the effect on somebody's mind out of all the HAARP-literature is... ALAN: Well, you find it in Brzezinski's book BETWEEN TWO AGES. He goes into that in the chapter THE TECHNETRONIC ERA. He doesn't go into the fine details, but he touches on the basic techniques that they have already used. ELEANOR: And his highest rank in the US federal cabinet was what? ALAN: I think he was Secretary of State for a while, and he then was in charge of the War department, I don't know what they call it there... ELEANOR: Defense. ALAN: Yeah, and now he is still an advisor to George Bush. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, which is the American version of the Royal Institute of International Affairs. That is the American {inaudible}, which was setup in the late 1800's by Cecil Rhodes, who created Rhodesia, and Lord Rothschild. They ended up acquiring all of the gold and diamond mines across South Africa to build up their wealth and to do what they have claimed, which is to control the world through finances and to bring in a certain type of worldwide culture based on the British system. Canada has now a group called Lloyd Axworthy CIIA, one of the highest-ranking members on the Canadian side, and they call it the Canadian Institute of International Affairs. All commonwealth countries have an "International Affairs", and they simply use "Australian" and "Canadian" as the first word, you know... ELEANOR: Canada is kind of disappointing, aren't they? They seem to be keeping very quiet on all these important issues. ALAN: Oh, tremendously! We are supposed to be happy and to drink our six-pack here, and to have a good time. ELEANOR: And to watch hockey. ALAN: Yeah, and to watch hockey, and to listen to the ongoing crisis, financial and otherwise, and to leave it to the experts. [50:00] That's the bottom line. Back in the 1940's, Bertrand Russell wrote about the impact of science on society, that the world will be trained to only take documentation or news from experts, until they are unable to think for themselves. That is the stage that we have got to. Brzezinski reiterates that in his book BETWEEN TWO AGES, when he said that shortly the time is coming when the general public will be unable to think for themselves. They will download the information of the previous night news and that will be their topic at work for the following day. ELEANOR: Well, that is happening right now, for sure. {laughing} Just try to tell them about this subject and their eyes glass over and they look out the window. ALAN: They need a Peter Mansbridge type figure or a Dan Rather to tell them something, and then they will believe it, but if anyone else tells them, they won't, because they are trained to listen to and only believe these authority figures. ELEANOR: Well, Canada did one tiny, little thing that was really good, but they aborted it. You have put me onto this originally. A couple of years ago, the Canadian government apparently was sending out letters to citizens who asked about the chemtrails. In the letter they said that it wasn't being done by Canadian aircrafts, which is an admission that it is going on. Nowadays, they will just say that they don't know what you are talking out. ALAN: A few years ago aircrafts were coming over, before the trails started over the whole of Canada. There were aircrafts coming across from the States and they were spraying low over the town of Espanola, which is near Manitoulin in Ontario. They sprayed heavily for months. The people noticed that there were a lot of miscarriages, even under the animals. It got so bad that the residents drew up a committee that did take it all the way to the Supreme Court. They got an admission that US-aircrafts had been testing something out on them, and that is where it ended. ELEANOR: Yes, and believe it or not, but I heard on a late night show a tape that a caller made from an air traffic controller - I think it was from Victoria, British Columbia - where the controller actually stated on the telephone that these were combined military exercises. So it has leaked out, but it is considered so secret now that they won't even admit that they ever talked about it. ALAN: Well, they can't, you see. What they generally do is to tell people declassified {information} 50 years after the event, because most of the people that concerns it, have died by then, generally from the spraying. In 1948 Calgary was heavily sprayed for a full week by flying fortresses by the permission of the Canadian government in collusion with the US government. ELEANOR: Aren't they generous? ALAN: That is documented. {Don Scotch ?} from Sudbury has put that information in a book form. He documented who gave permission and it was all fine by the Prime Minister, and so on. And then the health authorities followed each individual, unknown by them, throughout their lives, to see what physical effects it had on them. ELEANOR: So, listeners, you can begin to get the picture that we {targets} are not a few cranks talking about feuds with neighbours. This is a worldwide, centuries old political agenda that technology is now enabling to come to fruition. People like Alan are doing heroic work by unscrambling all the subterfuge and cover-ups that have been going on. Alan, I thank you for coming on and sharing just a small preview of your work, which extends back for years. I hope we can have you on as developments begin to become better known to give some coloured commentary on them. ALAN: Sure, that will be a pleasure. ELEANOR: Again, if anyone is interested in hearing Alan more often, then tune in to SWEET LIBERTY, a show which is on 5.070 MHz short wave, from 9 pm to 10 pm Eastern time (which is both in the winter and summer). Thank you very much, Alan. We certainly wish you all the best in your endeavors. We hope that for years to come you will keep us posted on the inside story. ALAN: I certainly will. ELEANOR: For more information, listeners, on vigilante gang stalking and electronic harassment, please see the links on this show's website, which is: http://www.shoestringradio.net Well, folks, that's it for today. I invite you to join us again next time as we travel the ROAD TO FREEDOM. And remember: FREEDOM ISN'T FREE! ========================================================= [This transcript is made by Madelger and based on the MP3-recording of this show.]